Exercises on the Logic of God
Theist vs. Atheist Debate
meet for coffee to talk about old days of high-school
and the neighborhood, but they canít help going back to
their discussion about Truth, Morality and God.
Mike have you thought about the whole religion thing?
Where do you stand as far that is concerned?
you couldnít just let a sleeping dog lie? But since you
bring it up, now I have to talk about it. And I thought
we were just going to have a cup of coffee and relive
the old days. Joe I know you are nice guy and
everything, but be honest with me, do you really believe
there is some God out there directing the world and
I understand you are skeptical, so was I....until I
really examined the evidence. Just like you I was
raised without really looking at the evidence for the
existence of God. Remember we were in the same classes
at school, we learned the same things, but we really
never had the chance to hear the other side of the
story. We were taught life emerged from a primordial
soup, after the Big Bang, billions of years ago. It
was taught like its absolute fact!
it is fact! Listen all the great minds, scientists and
professors have proven evolution is fact... Reasonable
people, who have looked at all the evidence, can show
God does not exist. God is the creation of man, Joe I
am not trying to be mean, but you are in a fantasy
Ok Mike, do mind if I ask you some questions about your
ďFactsĒ? First do you know how old the universe is?
Second, was there a point in time when the universe came
into existence or did it always exit?
answer your questions, there are several theories on how
old the universe it, if I recall from reading National
Geographic, I think they said the Universe is about
17-Billion years old. Regarding the universe coming
into existence, I guess if you think its 17-Billion
years old, it means it came into existence that long
so we both agree there was a point when the universe
began, I think if you do the research you will find
this is the conclusion of scientific discovery,
not religion. The point is there was a starting point;
Science calls it a Big Bang. The problem for the
Atheist is this, what was the cause of the Big Bang? Do
you know Mike?
do you mean what was the cause? It just happened, the
Universe exploded into existence, period! End of story.
Then the galaxies formed from the mater, Solar systems
and our planet. Out of all this life just formed when
the right chemicals came together.
Mike if it only so simple! So you believe the Universe
just happened! End of story! Wow, that takes a lot of
faith. Everything has a cause, what was the cause of
the Universe. The cause is always greater then the
effect. But you are telling me it just happened. Have
you ever asked yourself, how matter and the universe
just appeared out of nothing? One day there was nothing
and BANG.... The Universe just appears. Do you really
there are several theories on the cause of the universe,
I will look into it and get back with you.
you still need to explain the cause, Did you know
Einstein when he realized the Universe had a starting
point, had real problems, because he understood the
theological implications. If the universe is finite, it
means there was a starting point, and the cause is
always greater then the effect. You canít just ignore
the logic of cause, and say it just happened.
body really knows, how it all happened.
Well, then thatís why its important to examine the
evidence, where does the evidence point? The evidence
in life, points in the same direction as the universe.
The complexity of life, requires a creator or first
hold on hear Joe, science clearly proves life came up
out the primordial soup.
I think if you do the research, you will find Science
does not demonstrate evolution, in the sense you are
referring to. The evidence of design is overwhelming.
When Darwin developed his theory, in 1800ís he had no
clue how complex a cell is.
that is what science is about, discovering. And all
science affirms Darwinís theory.
Thatís not the case Mike, the complexity of the
simplest cell is beyond anything, Darwin could have ever
imagined. In fact, when science searches the heavens
for intelligent life, they look for codeís which point
toward intelligence. For example did you know the cell
has a literal language which allows it to communicate to
itself. It has an alphabet composed of 4 Ėnitrogen
all know life is complex, thatís why it took billions of
years to develop. Over time life made adaptations, to
evolve into more intelligent form.
what you say is based on faith, not evidence. The odds
of life coming from non-life are virtually impossible,
when you consider all the factors involved, from the
cause of the universe, the formation of the planets, and
just what is required for life, even the simplest cell,
any logical person will conclude the only logical cause
for the universe and life is God.
Joe you have given me a lot to think about. Letís talk
Play the role of both the Atheist and Theist
Hi! What is your name?____________________
Well its nice to meet you____________, I know
you donít believe God exists, but can I ask you
a few questions?
Where do you think the Universe came from?
( The Christianís goal here is to unveil the
source of the Atheists thinking, helping them
see they have faith...and they donít even know
____________ So where did the Big Bang come
from? What was there before the Big Bang?
(The Christian goal is to make the Atheist think
of the logic of their belief. If the world came
out of nothing, is that logical? Do things
appear out of nothing?)
So, you know their is ďNo GodĒ but you donít
know where the Universe came from? Hmmmm
So sounds like you have faith, since you canít
really prove either...
Hi my name is _______________ What is
Sure, I love questions.
Well I think the Big Bang is what science
teaches us is the cause of the Universe. I know
you guys think God created it.
(Many atheists do not realize the dilemma of
a finite universe, which has a start date, the
obvious conclusion is they need to accept a
Universe which appeared out of nothing)
there could be an oscillating universe, parallel
universe, we really donít know but that is what
science is looking for.
canít explain a cause to the universe other then
5. Neither can you! you canít prove your God
exists, you are just hoping